tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post6683575765817486650..comments2023-11-06T11:54:31.103+11:00Comments on Neos Osmos: Soccer in Western SydneyIan Sysonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-40759062234865353192019-06-12T19:11:57.312+10:002019-06-12T19:11:57.312+10:00Thanks for sharing the information. Thanks for sharing the information. Australian Footballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18062721179426888145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-33168170416583243182014-11-10T15:02:20.329+11:002014-11-10T15:02:20.329+11:00Thanks for that article Ian. I was thinking of wri...Thanks for that article Ian. I was thinking of writing similar, but no point now, you have done it well.<br /><br />I would though add Frank Doherty to the list of those who died for country and played for the Magpies. Even though Frank returned to Australia in 1919 he died two months after returning from complications associated with wounds he received in France.<br /><br />Frank was a notable defender and played in the 1914 premiership winning team. He left for the front in July 1915.<br /><br />Just on the side, John Nobbs who appears in the 1915 team photograph was Granville's first Mayor, in fact a pioneer of Granville and together with Fred Barlow were prominent patrons of the game. http://arc.parracity.nsw.gov.au/blog/2014/06/02/john-nobbs-a-granville-pioneer-and-soccer-enthusiast/<br /><br /><br />Also Eric Mobbs, the goal keeper, went on the become Mayor of Dundas and after amalgamation Mayor of Parramatta.<br /><br />We have at the Parramatta Heritage Centre the original photographs of the 1914 and 1915 teams if you would like a copy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06313002183033515177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-38908638308825302282014-06-26T12:12:56.429+10:002014-06-26T12:12:56.429+10:00If Soccer Associations marketed themselves properl...If Soccer Associations marketed themselves properly at grassroots level, soccer would definately blow rugby league away in Western Sydney Andrew Small, Golf Marketinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13418112566861264903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-52667829952045005842013-05-16T14:20:46.394+10:002013-05-16T14:20:46.394+10:00The thing is that Western Sydney is very much alie...The thing is that Western Sydney is very much alien territory for AFL,it is the heartland of Rugby League and Australian Soccer.Those are the sports most played in the schools,so the AFL has a long way to go to win hearts and minds.Also,I was listening to SEN on this topic,and one caller who lives in Sydney claimed that many of the Sydney Swans' members are ex-pats from the southern states.The figures show that the Swans,despite their success in the past decade,are only ranked 12th in average home attendances and membership,many of whom are old South Melbourne fans living in Victoria.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-44000213332501823262013-05-16T14:11:57.429+10:002013-05-16T14:11:57.429+10:00Sheedy's comments are puzzling as Western Sydn...Sheedy's comments are puzzling as Western Sydney is also a rugby league heartland. Are the immigration department recruiting for Parramatta & Penrith too?<br /><br />At the root of Sheedy's comments is the concept that 'soccer is un-Australian'. It is ironic that many people who love the oval ball also pledge themselves to a Premier league club and admire its achievers - yet attack the game on our shores.<br /><br />Soccer is Australian as John Howard's xenophopia. In 1939 some members of the touring Palestine Maccabi team remained in Australia and died serving our country. They did this despite the anti-Semitic undertones of the tour. So while some members of this touring soccer team served 'good old' Collingwood kept playing.<br /><br />James HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-40731132823600381632013-05-15T17:29:25.742+10:002013-05-15T17:29:25.742+10:00Great banter Ian, I do agree he is an AFL activist...Great banter Ian, I do agree he is an AFL activist and make no attempt to argue differently. Glad to see my insinuation was wrong about Sheedy being a racist and that your merely giving your opinion on his very evident lack of knowledge of what is the thriving heartland of Australian soccer, Western Sydney.<br /><br />Your points are valid and true that he has not in any way tried to contribute to ethnic and racial harmony in soccer, however his role as an AFL coach would hinder that. Dont be surprised if next year once officially relieved of his coaching duties that he does get out there in the community albeit a little late. He met with Sir Alex this year or late last year so he obviously has an interest in the game he just knows who butters his bread.<br /><br />I too watch soccer Ian (Southampton staying up, legends!!) and enjoy the fact that the pitch is a veritable UN convention. The AFL does have a history of embracing migrants you just have to look at the Greek and Italian teams of the century. As of now there are 16 international players on AFL lists (puny in comparison to the world game but is growing) and over 80 players with at least one parent born overseas. Also google Southern Dragons VAFA team and St. Kilda City, they are like soccer teams in terms of ethnic diversity. <br /><br />AFL will never be the first choice for new Australian's which gives Wanderland a leg up in gaining NEW supporters from overseas. A comment which has alienated the existing soccer community out west which the Author points out has been entrenched in the area forever. Anyway play both like I used (indoor soccer and Footy) or basketball or netball just stay active and competitve. Cheers Ian, MickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-35910496656074460522013-05-15T17:00:02.009+10:002013-05-15T17:00:02.009+10:00Gweeds, what happens in the minds of AFL supporter...Gweeds, what happens in the minds of AFL supporters is what we literary critics call metonymy (the idea of a part standing for the whole). AFL footy is not just a part of Australian culture and society, it IS Australian culture and society. One's behaviour within AFL is then taken to stand for the totality one's ethics, morals and politics. Sheedy's exemplary behaviour within footy puts him beyond reproach.<br /><br />Those of us who lie either partly or wholly outside of AFL culture are beyond the pale. For someone outside AFL to criticise someone within is intolerable.<br /><br />I'm sometimes accused of being a footy hater simply because I'm positioned outside of AFL culture. I don't hate footy because I don't care enough about the game one way or the other. I don't like the footy media or the AFL hierarchy though and will always pipe up when I see them behaving badly or unfairly.Ian Sysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-67654101266254234702013-05-15T16:30:18.971+10:002013-05-15T16:30:18.971+10:00"When people talk about what Sheedy has done ..."When people talk about what Sheedy has done they mention what he has done WITHIN footy." THAT'S THE POINT that Sheedy's defenders tend to miss. Of course he is not a racist or a xenophobe. I'm sure he'd love to have Muslim, Afican, Asian champion players in the AFL or his team.<br /><br />What we are pointing here is that while his work is commendable, it is still work for the AFL - which is fine! It's when he disparages the support the Western Sydney Wanderers have achieved, saying basically they have to import them from overseas - that's not OK.Gweedshttp://accidentalaussie.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-49497064338202524642013-05-15T14:32:15.856+10:002013-05-15T14:32:15.856+10:00Sheedy is a serial offender. He used the "gag...Sheedy is a serial offender. He used the "gag" on Fox Sports The Back Page show on 16th April along with multiple references to "flares". It sounded as though he was working off a talking points memo provided by AFL House.<br /><br />Funnily enough Israel Folou was a guest. He did not sound best pleased that "Sheeds" was around to share his wisdom. He sound surprised that he was expected to have a cozy chat with his former mentor.<br /><br />The podcast is available via Itoons or your favorite podcast aggregatorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-35492641757635975292013-05-15T13:51:06.600+10:002013-05-15T13:51:06.600+10:00remarks that were 'actually true'...
So t...remarks that were 'actually true'...<br /><br />So the Australian government via its immigration department actively recruited fans to Western Sydney Wanderers? What is actually true is the federal government did establish a partnership to support young people from migrant and refugee backgrounds in Greater Western Sydney, a partnership which the Giants, NOT the Wanderers, are an active member. So tell me once again, where in Sheedy's commentary is there anything that is 'actually true'?<br /><br />http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20121112122712780dalmanachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10928165123680963892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-72418770404009018992013-05-15T13:31:36.878+10:002013-05-15T13:31:36.878+10:00Sydney Olympic paid for Charlie Perkins to go to u...Sydney Olympic paid for Charlie Perkins to go to university - and we all (should) know how that ended up.Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-90651868276995643082013-05-15T13:23:48.630+10:002013-05-15T13:23:48.630+10:00Sheedy is not a racist. Never said he was. He is h...Sheedy is not a racist. Never said he was. He is however, an AFL activist and propagandist who has stooped to xenophobic rhetoric in his defence of his team's poor attendances. (Btw I've heard reports that there were far fewer than 5k there on the weekend).<br /><br />When people talk about what Sheedy has done they mention what he has done WITHIN footy. What about external activism? What about his role in other sports? Has he contributed to ethnic and racial harmony in soccer, the code with the greatest racial and ethnic diversity?<br /><br />I know Essendon Football Club helped out with a soccer team based in the Horn of Africa community based in the Flemington housing estate, but I'm not sure that was Sheedy's doing.<br /><br />As for Sheedy recruiting the players you mention. Well as someone who watches a game that is full of 'foreigners' and people from diverse religions, I am not really impressed. Footy was an ethically exclusive game for such a long time, forgive for not applauding as it slowly plays catch-up to other sports in our community and pats itself on the back as it does so.Ian Sysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-62742931840129569452013-05-15T13:08:32.912+10:002013-05-15T13:08:32.912+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ian Sysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-49283961196931613612013-05-15T12:59:06.971+10:002013-05-15T12:59:06.971+10:00You are insinuating that he is a racist which is w...You are insinuating that he is a racist which is why I stated that he has done great things for this country in terms of bringing Anglo and Indigenous Australians together that is all. Charlie Perkins was and forever will be one of Australia's greatest advocates for an equal Australia in all honestly he is without comparison and i was negligent in not mentioning the great South Australian.<br /><br />I do not however think hanging an Australian sporting identity for remarks that were actually true is a fair reflection of his efforts within society to bring everyone closer together. Although as you state its your biased perspective which I appreciate.<br /><br />Sheedy drafted the first devout Muslim (Bachar Houli), Daryl (i think that was his first name) Washington in the 90's was the first African American trialled by any AFL team, The first African to train with an AFL club was invited down by Sheedy in the 90's, Developed the Tiwi Bombers footy team, Encouraged and stood by players who were racially abused by fellow players on the field and started the Dreamtime at the G game. So in my opinion Sheedy has been a little harshly judged for comments that i repeat have ELEMENTS of truth.<br /><br />P.S. Fascinating stuff about the Granville Magpie's, as a sports lover that is the type of thing that needs more coverage, Australia's sporting history, cheers Mick<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-76876334345857486442013-05-15T11:30:01.736+10:002013-05-15T11:30:01.736+10:00Why just Indigenous-anglo relations? In any case I...Why just Indigenous-anglo relations? In any case I would have thought Charlie Perkins did a little more for Indigenous relations with the rest of Australian than Sheedy.<br /><br />It strikes me that Sheedy has been something of a beacon on this matter within his code and good on him for that.Ian Sysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3782415769184117544.post-14635950689077007412013-05-15T11:04:47.121+10:002013-05-15T11:04:47.121+10:00Comment by anonymous received:
The Victorian Impe...Comment by anonymous received:<br /><br />The Victorian Imperialist you speak of has done more for indigenous anglo relations than any other sporting identity in this country yet you hang him for a remark that has elements of truth in it, typical Australian tall poppy syndrome. <br />Ian Sysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381094556560006623noreply@blogger.com